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Noise on the First Floor (Again)

I am a grateful and proud alumna of the University of Chicago. I have been spending a lot of time at the library lately (thank you!) for reasons of my own. It's generally quieter on the upper floors, but I am stunned by the attitude on the first floor which is up for grabs.

In total disregard for the "rules" (on posted signs, obviously meaningless) or even any sense of a normal library etiquette, students accept and engage in raucous, loud talking--not every second but way, way too much. I am not speaking of forgetting yourself just as you're entering or leaving the lobby area (which shouldn't happen either). This inappropriate behavior occurs inside of the entrance kiosks, at the standing computers, at larger tables seating more than one person, even at individual computer stations where another person will join someone for discussion. There is frequently someone or other in the front area (near the staircase) talking loudly on a cell phone. I ask myself, "Is this the University of Chicago?"

Around 5 pm on Saturday, Dec. 5th I couldn't take it anymore and politely asked a couple of the perpetrators sitting across from my computer station if they could please refrain from having such a loud discussion. I was on my best diplomatic behavior (I have been in customer relations and property management for years so I know how to act when you need a result). I got a rather hostile response telling me that "It's (having loud prolonged conversations) generally accepted...in the library...(and) do I come in here often?" The latter comment as if to say, I should know that that's just the way it is. Not according to everyone, thank goodness, because as I went back to my seat the student across from me thanked me for my action, and said she goes to different libraries on campus or uses earphones because it's hard to concentrate at Regenstein.

I could give more examples of the above situation, but of course, I won't here. Suffice to say this is not the first time of frustration. I did, by the way, also go to the supervisor on hand who was helpful and got things to quiet down a bit, but (not his fault) it didn't last. It's just the "culture", sad to say.

I would like to suggest that it may be worthwhile for the library to either re-train or hire staff who know how to be more assertive (I am not referring to or singling out the supervisor mentioned, by the way). Much of the time, what's going on is ignored, and later into the evening there doesn't seem to be any supervision whatsoever.

Perhaps we could have a campaign with bigger, way bigger, signs reminding people of the protocol and study rooms available for groups, etc. To change the loose ambience at Regenstein might take a very special someone specifically assigned to that task for a while. A person literally walking the floor, and/or reminding people as they come or go into the library for a while. Who knows. I don't know how long it took to come to this point, but it would be great to begin to turn around these bad habits and have a library which always has dignity and respect for quiet study. Isn't that it's intention?

Determining the appropriate noise level (if any) inside Regenstein has been an issue for some time. On one hand, some researchers want and deserve silent spaces to concentrate while using the collections. Other researchers want and deserve spaces to interact collaboratively on their research. (I stipulate cell phone conversations may not be strictly research-related, but students discussing, say, their economics problem set in loud tones would have been equally disruptive.)

The Library is in the awkward position of trying to satisfy both groups. While our official policy is that the entire building is a space for quiet study and research, and we are quite happy to shush people upon request, it is impractical for us to impose a culture of quiet on the entire building, especially in late evening when the circulation supervisor is the only full-time staff member on duty.

Our current thinking on this subject focuses on creating "deep quiet" zones after the new Mansueto Library opens. However, the first floor probably will always be somewhat noisy, simply because there will always be some noise from patrons entering the library and traffic at the circulation desk. For quieter surroundings, we suggest the B-Level or study desks in the bookstacks.

December 07, 2009 in Noise | Permalink | Comments (1) | TrackBack (0)

Noise on the First Floor

I am utterly shocked how LOUD students are permitted to be on the first floor in the Regenstein library. Most of the noise comes from student gatherings, small groups intent on engaging in gossip rather than study, all the while being disruptive to those who wish to engage in the latter. The librarians do nothing about this; they just sit idly by surfing on the net seemingly oblivious to the raucous just feet away from them. Given the University of Chicago's academic reputation, I am disappointed in this sort of behavior being accepted.

Although we try to keep the entire Library as a place of quiet study and research, the heavy traffic in and out of the building on the first floor as well as the large open floorplan make it almost impossible to eliminate noise in this area. However, if a particular group of students is being extremely loud, please feel free to ask them to quiet down or take their conversations out to the lobby. If they refuse your request, please notify a librarian so we can take appropriate measures.

October 28, 2009 in Noise | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)

Noise in Crerar

Did anyone consider the noise implications of moving the Crerar Usite cluster up to the first floor? The first floor bank of computers used to be the only place where one could work at a computer in a quiet atmosphere. Now with the increased traffic and people asking the Usite help people for computer assistance and various staff members loudly discussing the transition, it is just as noisy as every where else in this university library system. The upper floors are quiet, but the computers are not set up for convenient work because they are not placed at desks. I relocated to Crerar because of noise at the Reg. Where should I go now?

We checked with the Crerar folks, and they said: "While overall the John Crerar Library is a very quiet library, the 1st floor has always been considered a discussion area because it contains the Reference Desk, which at times can be a busy service point."

"While the 1st floor is a high activity area, the lower level, 2nd and 3rd floors are considered quiet spaces. As you mentioned the computers on the 2nd and 3rd floor are not ideal for continuous use because they are on kiosk stands and not tables, however you may want to consider using the Library computer on the lower level of the library, which is located on a table. Your other option would be to use one of the NSIT computers located further away from the Reference/Computing Assistant Desk to avoid the noise created by staff assisting patrons."

April 10, 2009 in Crerar, Noise | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)

Noise

I frequently have to ask undergraduate students in the library to stop talking. Most of the time students just roll their eyes and continue chatting. Is there anything else the library can do to ensure a quieter place to study?


Generally the best tactic for individual situations is to ask students to stop talking. If you're getting ignored, feel free to point the offenders out to the nearest librarian or staff member; we're certainly willing to shush people.

More generally, we've discussed several strategies for reducing noise in the Reg (assuming this is the area of concern), including possibly establishing a "deep quiet" zone or floor. This idea is controversial, because there are many library users who prefer to study in groups that make a certain amount of noise. So we're trying to find a solution that takes everyone's wishes into account.

December 08, 2008 in Noise | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)

Construction Noise

I am finding the construction noise in the library, to be very distracting to my work. Well I am happy that the library and its furniture are being refurbished, I would like to know if more of the work could be done off-site to minimize the noise level in what should be a quite study area. Also, could more work be done after hours when the library is closed?

I appreciate that this would increase the cost of repairs and possibly the time it takes to complete them, but it might be worth it for those us who need a reasonably quite work space and need to access material only available at this library.


We ask our construction partners to conduct operations from 6-7 AM to 3-4 PM, and to schedule particularly noisy work like drilling and concrete cutting in the early morning hours when the building is closed. On long projects,  we also work with the crews to schedule quieter work during 10th week and finals week.

This being said, noise is often unavoidable. We do try to communicate where noisy areas might be via our Construction webpage (accessible from the "What's New" box on the library home page), but if there's a particular problem in your favorite study spot let us know and we'll see what we can do.

December 02, 2008 in Noise | Permalink | Comments (1) | TrackBack (0)

The Audience is Listening

Could the library post signs in the new TV room on the fourth floor letting people know that the glass walls don't block any sound?  It seems like people are unaware that talking in there isn't muted at all since the glass door does not completely seal the room.  Even better, could the school look into making the room soundproof?
Thanks very much!

I think you probably mean the fifth floor, where we have just opened a new multimedia classroom. We used to have signs up notifying people the room wasn't soundproof; we'll make sure they are put back. Note that the room is explicitly for group use, so there is bound to be a bit of "noise leakage" near there.

UPDATE: Our colleagues at the Law Library reminded the Suggestions Office that the DLL has a nice TV room. Unfortunately they also say there is no way to make the room soundproof.

November 17, 2008 in Noise | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)

Cellphone Noise

Hi, I'm a student at the UofC and study in the Reg often. I usually study on the 4th floor, although, my complaint is pretty uniformly distributed across the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th floors. People seem to talk on their cell phones a lot. In addition, many people hold long, fairly loud conversations with their friends. It's actually very disturbing, and I've moved several times in one day to avoid the noise. Thank you

Unfortunately, this is not a new complaint. Instead of fleeing the scene, we recommend asking the noise-makers to silence their phones or take them outside. If they refuse, please refer them to Library staff.

May 12, 2008 in Noise | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)

Noise in RR2

Use of cell phones and excessive talking in the Regenstein are becoming more and more of a problem. To make things worse, many students believe that such behavior is perfectly acceptable and refuse to stop talking on their phones when asked. I was wondering if you could post the library's noise policy more conspicuously, especially on the second floor. Thank you very much.

Happy to oblige -- new signs are in the works. Look for them to appear in the next week or two.

May 05, 2008 in Noise | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)

Squeaky Carts, III

the wheels on the mobile garbage bins that the cleaning people carry must be greased. they generate a very loud, high pitched squealing sound. it is very distracting, especially when these things are pushed across an entire floor in the library. thank you.

We've been at work on this for a while, and at this point we think we've eliminated all the squeaks. Let us know if that's not the case.

April 28, 2008 in Noise | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)

A Written Policy on Noise

What is the policy for talking in the library? It is my understanding that the A-Level has been designated as a talking area, and that the rest of the library should be quiet at all times. I recently asked a student to stop talking on the second floor because it was distracting my studies, but he refused and requested written proof that this was library policy. Most people are considerate and will stop talking when asked, but I would like to know the library's official policy and to know whether it is stated anywhere on the library website? Thank you.

The Suggestions Office staff is  stunned that there might be ambiguity on this point, but in case anybody's wondering: "The Library is for Quiet Study and Research." More explictly,  on the back side of the large hanging floor map (near the entrance to the second floor) are the following words:

THE LIBRARY IS FOR QUIET STUDY AND RESEARCH. Please keep conversations to a minimum. Group study and conversation should be limited to seminar rooms or the A level group studies.

The same language is on the back of the maps on floors 3,4, and 5, and on a sign taped to the entrance turnstiles. 

Please feel free to refer anyone to the signs; if they continue to trouble you please alert library staff.

April 23, 2008 in Noise | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)

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